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Postby Zancarius » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:33 pm

I've been toying with the idea of writing open source message board software to replace phpBB. This thought occurred to me primarily for these reasons: 1) phpBB 3 sucks and migrating a phpBB2 installation over is fraught with unnecessary complications, 2) most other forums out there that are free (Simple Machines Forum) are feature-packed and difficult for many users who aren't familiar with such boards to use (what happened to use cases/testing/etc?), 3) the pay-for ones are just as bad, 4) security is a HUGE issue--even for some of the expensive ones like vBulletin, and 5) it'd be a neat side projects.

But, there's a problem! As a developer, I have a pretty narrow usage scope of what I like to see and that means I'll overlook what features others appreciate most. What do you like in message boards you've used? Post your ideas here, large and small, as I'd really like to hear them. Likewise, I'd like to hear about those features you don't like.

Some guidelines:

  • Think of something that works but not quite as you'd expect it to. If you have a suggestion for improvement, say so!
  • Eye candy, like sliding menus or expanding posts, is fair game. Adobe Flash is not (it doesn't degrade gracefully).
  • Integration with social media (like Twitter) is also acceptable. It won't be a super-high priority until the core is working fairly well.
  • Support for external sites in general. Domain-specific examples applicable to our site would include integration with wowhead.
  • General usage like the ability to "reply in-line" from the topics page, see preview snippets of a post, etc.


If your idea is selected, your name will be included in the project credits. Furthermore, once the project takes off and grows, you'll have the option to participate directly in the development process and help shape the direction of the software (not required; opt-in only).

Let's hear your thoughts.
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Postby Grimblast » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:49 pm

I'm still at the office but let's see what we can jot down.


- Emoticons

- Some use of html for those of us crazy enough to use it or more formatting options from the text editor
- ease of use from said text editor

- I like what we have here with the linkage telling you what site it's coming from.

- Maybe some form of picture scaling when needed. We have something sort of like that in this forum for instance. Been awhile since it was implemented so I can't quote the name of it.

- As you mentioned, wouldn't hurt to have wowhead integration or say 'social engineering' site integration for those that wish to use it. Maybe even a quick and dirty chat client that can be somehow integrated into the forum? Sounds odd but might have some utility. It could be used as a chat block on a web page rather than something that integrates with the forums or just a live chat block which updates while you're reading the forums.
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Postby Zancarius » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:21 pm

Oh wow, that's a lot of feedback! Really good stuff, thank you!

Turus wrote:- Some use of html for those of us crazy enough to use it or more formatting options from the text editor


phpBB and BBCode doesn't directly support things like tables and that (and it's usually not used), but I'm curious if you have more advanced HTML in mind? Most message boards don't allow it (too complicated/dangerous--whatever that's supposed to mean ;)), but I can definitely see where it'd be really handy to have nearly full access to HTML. Not sure if that's what you were thinking though. It's a good idea.

Turus wrote:- ease of use from said text editor


Something like a WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) editor with an option to edit the HTML or markup?

Turus wrote:- I like what we have here with the linkage telling you what site it's coming from.


You know, the funny thing is that I was thinking of disabling that on the DESTRealm forums because I figured no one really liked that feature. I'm glad someone appreciates it!

What if I suggested extending this feature to include mouse-overs, too, so that whenever someone linked to something, you could mouse over the link and get the title of the page (without having to click on it), too? Maybe even other data as well.

Turus wrote:- Maybe some form of picture scaling when needed. We have something sort of like that in this forum for instance. Been awhile since it was implemented so I can't quote the name of it.


I know what you mean. The processor I wrote into phpBB was hacked in and works TERRIBLY. This is a really good suggestion, because proper scaling is something we sorely need for screenshots.

Turus wrote:- As you mentioned, wouldn't hurt to have wowhead integration or say 'social engineering' site integration for those that wish to use it. Maybe even a quick and dirty chat client that can be somehow integrated into the forum? Sounds odd but might have some utility. It could be used as a chat block on a web page rather than something that integrates with the forums or just a live chat block which updates while you're reading the forums.


I've seen chat blocks on a few CMSes (including the SGA's site) but never much on forums. That'd be an interesting addition--maybe even include it as a way of "streaming" topics or summaries of topics.

Also, what would you think of something like an RSS feed for the forum? I don't know of anyone who uses them--some do.

Along those lines, I was also considering implementing pingback/trackback features into the forum so you can track who is linking to us (for example). For instance, you could click on a box to expand a zone under a particular post if someone's linked to it and get an idea of how many external links people have made to the forum. Perhaps making it publicly visible, too.

Great suggestions. Once I'm satisfied this thread has been well abused, I'm going to compile it into a suggestions post. I'll be putting up a dev site for the new software soon, so keep an eye out. This is still in the exploratory phase, so we've got a HUGE amount of elbow room.
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Postby Grimblast » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:59 pm

I like some of what you mentioned and yes, it was a Wysiwyg I was thinking of. An RSS feed would be a nice addition for any forum. Mouse overs would be brilliant for that feature since I loves da eye candy.
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Postby Snobal » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:54 pm

I don't know if any of this is outside the scope of what you're/we're looking for, but here goes:

- An admin/mod panel type of system for those with privileged access. (For uses of in-guild officers, forum devs, etc.)

- A scrolling chat window possibly on the side, for those quick /pokes.

- An easier way to implement photos into posts. (Other than the traditional U/L to the file manager and pasting the address in.)

- URL Routing

- Maybe a more-specific place (archive sorta thing), where short videos/pictures/recordings/etc. could be uploaded or downloaded.

- Have a mouse-over button of a forum topic to see a sample of what is in the post. (Let's face it, some things I post aren't worth the 3 seconds of your life to click and hit the back button over.)

- Have items from WoW that you could mouse-over and show the item. (I linked something thottbott made to do this ages back.)

Edit: http://thottbot.com/power

- Have a section dedicated to not only who is in teamspeak, but who is on the game itself.

My limited creative ability is making me stop here. More to come later, possibly.
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Postby Zancarius » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:02 pm

There we go.

Snobal wrote:- Have a section dedicated to not only who is in teamspeak, but who is on the game itself.


I don't think Blizzard has an API published for this, though. :? They might--if they do, it'd be handy.

One potential work-around would be to have people armed with an addon that examines a guild roster and exports the data to a file. Another app could then examine the contents of this file and periodically update it over the network. (Pre-armory, there were some apps that would do this automatically so it can be done.)
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Postby Snobal » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:43 pm

Thalaria wrote:
I don't think Blizzard has an API published for this, though. :? They might--if they do, it'd be handy.



I don't believe they do. I think I did some research a while back to no avail =/ I was just throwing the idea out there, as I'm sure you're aware.
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Postby Zancarius » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:55 am

Other ideas I'm surprised no one has mentioned:

Drafts (gah, how many times have I lost a lengthy post because of some accidental clicking).
Related posts.

On the note of drafts, I did think of something funny. Whenever I use WordPress, I find that I never misclick while editing something (it supports drafts). This is probably because 1) the universe tends toward maximum irony and 2) the instant drafts are supported by the web application, the likelihood of your accidental clicking mysteriously approaches zero.
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